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Welcome to a book with legs podcast.

I'm Cole Smead, CEO, and portfolio manager here at Smead Capital Management.

At our firm, we are readers, and we believe in the power of books to help shape informed investors.

In this podcast, we speak to great authors about their writings.

The late great Charlie Munger prescribed using multiple mental models and analysis.

We analyze their work through the lens of business, markets, and people.

In this episode, we will discuss the depths of our humanness, our being, our physical makeup, our emotional makeup, and possibly what I might argue is our spiritual makeup. Joining me to discuss her recently published book,

Original Sin, on the genetics of vice, the problem of blame and the future of forgiveness

is Catherine Page Harden.

I'll refer to her as Paige.

Page is a professor of psychology at the University of Texas, Austin, Hookham Horns.

She received her PhD in Clinical Psychology from the University of Virginia and completed her clinical internship at McLean Hospital, Harvard Medical School. She has been honored by

the American Psychological Association for her distinguished scientific contributions in the fields

of genetics and human individual differences. She has published one other book, I would note,

the genetic lottery, which came out in 2021. More importantly, Ms. Hardin seems to be included in the deeply intellectual community

that treasures the infamous Pinky and the Brain cartoons from my childhood.

Paige, thanks for joining me today.

Oh, thanks for having me.

You were the first introducer to bring up Pinky and the Brain that is a niche reference,

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