Ted Audio Collective.

The thing I loved about punk was that, you know, anybody can do it, idea.

Of course it was frustrating when I found out anyone meant white guys could get

up there and not know how to play their instruments, but if girls did it, it was like, you

guys better go back and take some lessons because you suck.

From the TED audio collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.

For next with Deby Millman. For 19 years Debbie Millman has been talking with designers

and other creative people about what they do, how they got to be who they are

and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode, Kathleen Hannah talks about writing and singing for punk bands.

I'm not going to be cool.

I have no investment in cool.

I want connection. Debbie Milman is off this week. The interview with

Kathleen Hannah was conducted by Roxanne Gay.

You can't tell the story of third wave feminism, punk music, and the Riot Girl Movement without telling the story of Kathleen Hanna.

Hannah was the lead singer of Bikini Kill, and later the band's Latigra and the Julie Ruin.

Over the past 30 years, Hannah has made music and art. She has made necessary,

joyful, fierce, angry noise. Her feminism, her politics, and her activism

have deeply informed her music, and her music continues to inform the culture. Now, the first time she tells her own story in a new

memoir Rebel Girl, My Life as a Feminist Punk. Kathleen Hannah, welcome to

design matters. I'm very very happy to design matters.

I'm very, very happy to be here.

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