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Hello Monday with Jessi Hempel

Katherine Morgan Schafler on perfectionism’s surprising gifts

Hello Monday with Jessi Hempel

LinkedIn

Careers, Business

4.81.1K Ratings

🗓️ 23 January 2023

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

What if conventional wisdom on perfectionism - that it’s something to be fixed or overcome - were wrong? That’s the thesis behind Katherine Morgan Schafler’s new book, The Perfectionists Guide to Losing Control. She sits down with Jessi to walk us through a different way to manage perfectionism. Learn how to accept who you are and how to manage life’s biggest challenges. Follow Katherine Morgan Schafler on LinkedIn and order her book here. Follow Jessi Hempel on LinkedIn and order her debut memoir. Join the Hello Monday community: Subscribe to the Hello Monday newsletter, and join us on the LinkedIn News page each week for Hello Monday Office Hours, Wednesdays at 3p ET.

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LinkedIn News

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From the news team at LinkedIn, I'm Jesse Hempel, and this is Hello Monday.

0:39.0

It's our show about the changing nature of work, and how that work is changing us.

0:46.0

I'm a perfectionist. I know this about myself. I can be exacting to a fault, and I come down too strongly when my very high standards aren't met.

0:56.0

And the person I come down on hardest, well, it's not Sarah, in the production booth, although she may disagree.

1:03.0

It's actually myself, of course.

1:06.0

Like right now, I'm just so annoyed with myself that I didn't send out our newsletter this week.

1:11.0

I usually send out our newsletters on Mondays, and it was a holiday Monday. I was on an epic road trip with my toddlers.

1:17.0

They went in snacks and books, and to get out of the car, we were staying in a hotel, and I'm still kicking myself that I didn't just set the alarm for 5.30.

1:26.0

Wake up before the kids at the hotel, pull out my laptop to work for just 20 minutes.

1:32.0

I think of perfectionism as a problem I have. I think to fix.

1:38.0

Couldn't I just chill a little, but also, like, couldn't I have just gotten up a tiny bit earlier? Really though.

1:47.0

So I was so excited to talk to this week's guest, Catherine Morgan Schaffler.

1:52.0

Catherine is a psychotherapist, and she's developed a specialty in women who present outwardly as if they're doing it all,

1:59.0

and often feel like they're crumbling inside.

2:02.0

Perfectionists.

2:04.0

Catherine has just published a book, and she's called it the perfectionist's guide to losing control.

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