I'm Alan Alder, and this is clear and vivid conversations about connecting and communicating.

Anger was the easiest chapter for me to write. I'm angry for the same reason that most people are angry

when you think about climate change, the lack of action and the telling of lies. But one of the

things that makes me the most angry is the weaponization of uncertainty. The fact that they say,

oh, we don't know everything as an excuse to not do anything.

And of course we don't know everything.

That's why I still have a job.

That's why I go to work every day.

If science knew everything, science would be over.

And the fact that there are still things that we don't know about the planet, there's still

things we don't know about how climate change will progress, what it will mean.

That absolutely doesn't mean that we're not sure that climate change is real, it's us,

it's happening, it's dangerous.

That's Kate Marvel.

We've invited her back for a second clear and vivid conversation

because she has a wonderful new book called Human Nature,

Nine Ways to Feel About Our Changing Planet.

It's a book with a refreshing twist on the climate crisis.

You take a really unusual approach to communication in this book, Kate.

When scientists write about science, they almost always avoid emotion every way they can.

But you built your book on emotion, on nine emotions.

And under each emotion, you tell the powerful stories that led you to have those emotions.

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