Welcome to Nobody Told Me. I'm Jan Black. Laura Owens is off today. You know, we often hear about gender

inequality in terms of the pay gap between men and women and other issues related to the workplace.

On this episode, though, we'll take a look at gender inequality at home.

Joining us is gender expert and professional facilitator Kate Mangino, who is the author

of the new book, Equal Partners, Improving Gender In inequity at home.

Kate, thank you so very much for joining us.

Thank you for having me today.

I'm thrilled to be here with you.

Tell us why you decided to write this book.

Why you felt it was necessary?

I've been working in gender for a long time.

I work with international nonprofit organizations. And so for many

years, I've been the expert who was going overseas to work with a variety of groups to talk through

harmful gender norms and how a community can push through those norms to make a change. So I was having

very sophisticated conversations about gender in Indonesia and Zambia and

Malawi. And my oldest child just turned 11. So for 11 years now, I've been a mom. And I was having

very antiquated conversations about gender in my own community, in my playground with my family

and friends. So wanting to write the book was a bit of a bridge to reconcile

my work and my personal life. Now, what do you mean when you say you were having

antiquated conversations about gender inequity? A lot of different assumptions about what it

meant to be a mother and what it meant to be a father and how one could be a successful mother versus a successful father.

I still see, you know, we think it's 2022 and we've moved past a lot of these traditional norms, but they're still internalized in a lot of what we do and the decisions that we make.

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