Hello and welcome to Under the Skin from Lunary this week I spoke with

Karsha Abaniac. Karsha is the founder and CEO of the Academy

a school that teaches women the foundations of power and influence who's worked as a

professional dominatrix, practiced Taoist alchemy in one of the oldest female-led monasteries in China

and obtained certifications in medical key jong and systemic constellations.

Since founding the Academy in 2013, Kasha has taught hundreds of women practical tools

to step into leadership positions in their relationships, families, workplaces and wider communities.

Her new book, Unbound, A Woman's Guide to Power is out in August. I shall be reading that then.

I hope you listened to my Conan O'Brien episode. Did you? Did you listen to it? Did you, I tell you did do that. It was

Kim C just looking. She go, you two are my utmost favorite synthetic, favourless foaming broth made outside the body. So happy you've made

yourselves famous enough to experience you regularly made my day. Thanks for saying

that, Kim's you just looking, because I loved talking to Conan and I loved some of the saying some

of the things you referenced. I don't actually listen back to under the skin that often

I mean why would I I'm in it but I did listen to that one I think I listened to it on

Conans because it was simultaneously

That producer Jenny has got her head in her hands that I wouldn't listen to it on because what to get the

listening figures up you're right what's wrong with me I could have got probably

would have got a work bonus for listening.

All right, let's listen to it again on luminary.

There's no point to say to me here.

These people are on luminary.

You're preaching literally to the converted,

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