Welcome to the global phenomenon, surviving the survivor,

where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist,

Joy Waldman.

What's up, SDS Nation, and welcome to another episode of Surviving the Survivor,

the podcast that promises to bring you the very best guests in all of true crime and you're in for a doozy today.

I can guarantee you that one.

So welcome to one in all.

We're going to be talking, of course what we should all be starting with but we don't is officer

Boston police officer John O'Keefe typically we start with the words Karen Reed,

but it really is about police officer John O'Keefe.

So let's try to keep him at the forefront today.

Before we get there, I would be remiss if I didn't mention a couple of things.

Number one, I was up right early today.

My son, Judah Mat, is now a graduate.

He graduated from pre-K and it was quite the ceremony and hopefully the

COE will be posting a photo or two of him in his cap and gown.

Now I started in this child business a little late in life as I am 54 years old.

I got a 10 and 8 and a now five year old but it was amazing I love my two daughters equally however seeing my little boy, the youngest, graduate, brought a tear to my eye.

I was just telling someone a story.

I'll write about now, Catherine Loftus is like, get me the hell out of here,

but I'm in a weird mood today.

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