Welcome to the global phenomenon, surviving the survivor,

where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist,

Joy Waldman.

What's up, FTS Nation, and welcome to another episode of Surviving the Survivor,

the podcast that promises to bring you the very best guess in all of true crime and already a

funky little tech glitch so I just muted everyone I'm gonna have everyone mute

and unmute themselves as they go which I know is a pain in the rear end but already it's a

Monday and I was expecting it and here we go but I just want to say before we

start out talking,

Boston police officer John O'Keefe, and of course,

Karen Reed, who's at the center of it all.

We always do it in the reverse,

but we should be remembering John O'Keefe every single time.

Look at this Beth from Arkansas, wow I caught alive, yes you did. A couple things.

CrimeCon was amazing, absolutely incredible, loved it.

Actually got to meet Lauren Conlin, who's on the panel tonight in person,

and we had a great time.

I'm going to try to slowly unmute everyone.

I think we're going to be okay and I'll tell you the two

comments I got most often was you're taller than I thought and you're less fat in

person wasn't that you were skinnier in person it was less fat.

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