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The Bulwark Podcast

Kara Swisher: We're in an 'Eat the Rich' Moment

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 26 December 2025

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

The year started with America's tech overlords kissing the ring at Trump's inauguration, and it's ending with the public fed up with the ostentatiously rich—and more distrustful of Silicon Valley than ever, particularly on AI. Plus, Kara's key role in the revelations about the relationship between RFK, Jr. and Olivia Nuzzi, Trump is giving away the store to China and setting back university research and innovation by a generation, the AI advances in healthcare are mind-blowing, media companies are going to accelerate their consolidation, much of the tech oligarchy has daddy issues, JD is like a Cybertruck, "Pluribus" is great, and "KPop Demon Hunters" is golden.

Kara Swisher joins Tim Miller for the holiday weekend pod.

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Bullard podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller.

0:15.8

Delight to welcome back to the show.

0:18.1

A fellow podcaster, usually just a little bit ahead of me in the charts,

0:21.1

not that I'm monitoring every day. Are you? I never know. She's a co-host of Pivot. She's host of On with Kara Swisher. It's Kara Swisher. How you doing? Hi. How you doing? How's it going? Thank you, by the way, for being a guest host on Pivot during Scott Free August. It was my honor. I had a blast. I had a blast doing it. I hope I get invited back next August. I also was invited to ask a question to Scott Jennings, which created like a little mini feud. Oh my God. What the hell? He created a feud. He got very upset. He got very. I was like, it's just, it's a decent question, although it was a little obnoxious. It was a little obnoxious. Speaking of, he invented unnoxious. If he can't handle unnoxious and cheeky, who can. Yeah, exactly. Cheeky is not how I describe him. It's smirky. Smirky. Yeah, I'm a little cheeky. He's smirk. That should be a podcast.

1:10.9

You should do with Scott Jennings.

1:12.1

I don't think so.

1:13.1

He brought it up on some random MAGA podcast a couple days later. How annoyed he was. I know. How silly. How silly. Anyway, I have a take here. I'm going to offer to you this way to why you're here. I was like, I want to do a 20-25 recap pod that focuses on,

1:28.7

like we're so obsessed with TDS on this show and politics what's having with Trump. But I kind of

1:33.3

think if we look back five, 10 years from now, like the most meaningful thing that we will have

1:39.3

happened this year is something related to the tech oligarchy emerging. Absolutely. That's how it started.

1:44.6

Yeah.

1:44.8

And so I just had a little list here.

1:46.7

The inauguration and all those guys being there.

1:50.0

The valleys like embrace of MAGA at some level, you can listen to you on how big of a level.

1:57.0

Musk's rise and then break up with Trump, the crypto corruption, the LLM boom.

2:01.5

Those are the kind of things I had.

2:03.2

What would you kind of of of that list or otherwise would you say?

2:06.0

It's like it would be the thing that has the most staying power?

2:08.7

I think these chips deals with China are really problematic.

2:11.9

And Chinese efforts in AI and what will happen in the next year.

2:16.2

I think Trump initially, and actually quite correctly in his first term, was quite wary of China.

2:21.9

And remember he said, TikTok will never be sold.

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