Hello, everyone, and welcome to police off the cuff, real crime stories.

I'm your host, retired NYPD Sergeant Bill Cannon, a 27-year veteran of the NYPD.

I wanted to give a little bit of an update today.

I know we've all seen the arrest affidavit, the probable cause affidavit,

but there is a new document that has come out, and it may not have many,

maybe many people would have had access to it, but I hadn't seen it because we had all heard, we had all read, based on some of the Coco TV, another TV station from Oklahoma, put out that grandma, Tiffany Adams, had confessed that she was actually the killer of the Kansas moms, of course, Veronica Butler and Jillian Kelly.

But even knowing that, right now, we still is not documented anywhere the cause of death.

In essence, the rumor is and has been since the beginning that the cause of death was gunshot, was a gunshot wounds.

However, that hasn't been confirmed,

and yet also on the scene, a hammer was discovered outside the car

where Veronica's glasses were found.

So there's a possibility, a distinct possibility,

that could be blunt trauma.

But that has yet to be reported.

So we're going to take a look at the motion to hold defendants without bail. And of course, that would seem like a no-brainer

this day and age. You have four individuals for a capital murder, which they are facing the

death penalty for. And you can prove, or you have evidence, I'm not saying you can prove yet,

but you have evidence of the complicity of all four of them,

that there's a conspiracy.

And so many things point to the fact that this is a conspiracy,

the burn of phones, right?

The conversations between each other, the stun guns that Tiffany Admas bought,

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