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The Esau McCaulley Podcast

Kamala Harris, Multiracial Families, and The Church's Witness

The Esau McCaulley Podcast

Esau McCaulley

Religion & Spirituality, Society & Culture

5.01.1K Ratings

🗓️ 10 October 2024

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Esau sits down with friends Jonathan Warren Pagan, rector of Emmanuel Anglican Church, and Kimberly Deckel, executive pastor of Church of the Cross. They dive into the complexities of multiracial identity within the church, exploring how churches can better serve multiracial families and create genuinely welcoming spaces. The conversation touches on the unique challenges multiracial individuals face, the politics of identity surrounding public figures like Kamala Harris, and the importance of cultural curiosity in faith communities.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Passion in my pocket so my pennies should be.

0:10.0

What they selling is cheap so I'm buying that this freedom is free.

0:13.0

I've been becoming me.

0:15.0

See when Jesus taking the lead with purpose I bleed and riles like going under the heat.

0:19.0

Defeat is a never.

0:20.0

You can't

0:20.8

reattach with a sever what's bringing you pleasure can tell you where you stacking your treasure

0:24.7

when storm is your weather no that it gets worse for it's better welcome to the eastall

0:28.4

macaulay podcast I'm your host isaa macali I have two of my friends on the show with me today

0:33.9

Jonathan Warren Pagan he is the rectorctor of Emmanuel Anglican Church in Austin,

0:40.2

and Kimberly Deccle, who's the executive pastor of the Church of the Cross in Austin.

0:46.0

Indeed. This is the Austin Anglican episode. I promise you that everybody who on this show

0:51.3

won't be either Anglican or from Austin, but they're my friends and I can call them and make them come. So we're happy to have you. Today we're going to be talking a little bit about Kamala Harris and some of the kind of weird racial politics that have been used kind of against her in the course of this campaign. But we're not going to spend too much time on that because I don't want to just do another politics podcast. We'll transition from there to talk a little bit about multiracial people and how we function. We can serve multi-ethnic families and peoples in the church. That'll be the focus of our conversation. We'll get to that later. But first, we have, and I didn't tell them about this. We have a segment that we do every now and there. It's called Am I Washed? And so for those of you who are so washed, you don't even know what wash means. Wash means, are you up on culture? Do you know what's going on? And it's going to relate to the episode of the day. So this is the easy one. Okay, this is the Am I Watch question. Who's going to volunteer to do it first? Jonathan or Kimberly. Who's going to go first? I mean, you said no, I'll go. I may be making a cool of myself, but I will go. You can do it. Okay. Uncool I am. Now, this was, I only checked this a couple of days ago, so it might not be current. What is the number one song in America right now? No. Tell me to answer this question. I have no idea.

2:05.4

Okay, give me your best guess. Oh, I don't, like, I don't even listen. This makes me sound so

2:12.0

boring and old. I don't even listen to like the radio or anything. Last night, our daughter,

2:17.0

who's 12 and my husband went to the, um, 21 pilots, didn't even know who they were a month ago. Can't name one of their songs. And I'm just going to say it's a song by, well, no, I mean, I don't know. It has to be like Taylor Swift or Beyonce, but can I name specific songs? No, it is not, it is not, it is not, it is not take it is not, it's not, or Beyonce. Okay, sorry, sorry, Kimberly, you are currently watched. You might be able to redeem yourself in a minute. Jonathan, I will ask you this. And it's actually, only Anglican pastors about. No, okay then, okay then. Here it goes, though. This is the, it's the same, it's the same answer.

2:52.9

It's the same answer. I'm going to ask you the question a different way. What is the number one

2:56.5

song by a black person in America and what genre of music is it? It's the same answer. What is it?

3:04.4

It's the same answer? Yes. It's also the number one song in America by a black person.

3:09.7

Can you name the black person in it or the genre of music?

3:13.7

I mean, is it hip hop?

3:15.6

Is it Drake?

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