From New York Times opinion, this is the, August 6. We just found out the Tim Walls, the governor of Minnesota, who we just did a show with a week ago. You can find it just back there in the archives, is going to be

Kamala Harris's choice for vice president. And so we now know what the shape of

the races. We have Donald Trump and J.D. Vance on one side, and we have Kamla Harris and Tim Walls on the other.

And we've been covering this closely enough and talking about walls enough that it felt like it would

be good to just have a conversation about how this looks.

So I'm joined as I am so often in the cycle by our great senior editor, Claire

Claire.

Hi Ezra.

So I've seen Walls described as a unity pick, but he isn't exactly a moderate, and Minnesota isn't exactly a swing state.

So would you describe this as a safe choice or a bold choice?

I would describe walls as clearly a bold choice.

So my friend Nate Silver, who I have been aligned with on most questions over the course of this

campaign, has been making this argument that Chippira would have been the bold choice.

And Chippira would have been the bold choice because there's a little bit of friction with the left,

potentially on Israel, maybe on some other questions.

But look, Shapiro has a 60% plus approval rating in Pennsylvania so far as any

state in the country is likely to decide the election Pennsylvania has the best

shot at it and so forget what the left is saying.

Pick the guy who's going to give you the best shot at winning the state you most need to

win.

I would say in that analysis, Superior is a safe choice. I don't think that there

would have been static from the left in a way that would have been meaningful for the

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