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The Ezra Klein Show

Nancy Pelosi: ‘It Didn’t Sound Like Joe Biden to Me’

The Ezra Klein Show

New York Times Opinion

Society & Culture, Government, News

4.611K Ratings

🗓️ 9 August 2024

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

It’s been remarkable watching the Democratic Party act like a political party this past month — a party that makes decisions collectively, that does hard things because it wants to win, that is more than the vehicle for a single person’s ambitions. But parties are made of people. And in the weeks leading up to President Biden’s decision to drop out of the race, it felt like the Democratic Party was made of one particular person: Nancy Pelosi. Two days after Biden released a forceful letter to congressional Democrats insisting he was staying in the race, the former speaker went on “Morning Joe” and cracked that door back open. And Pelosi has pulled maneuvers like this over and over again in her political career. When an opportunity seems almost lost, she simply asserts that it isn’t and then somehow makes that true. Sometimes it seems like Pelosi is one of the last people left in American politics who knows how to wield power. Pelosi has a new book, “The Art of Power: My Story as America’s First Woman Speaker of the House,” and I wanted to talk to her about her role in Biden’s decision to drop out and what she’s learned about power in her decades in Congress. Book Recommendations: The Island of the Day Before by Umberto Eco Love in the Time of Cholera by Gabriel García Márquez The Age of Wonder by Richard Holmes Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Elias Isquith. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Annie Galvin, Michelle Harris, Rollin Hu and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Jonah Kessel, Emily Holzknecht, Kristen Cruzata and Sonia Herrero.

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0:00.0

From New York Times opinion, this is the Ezra Klein Show. The remarkable thing.

0:14.3

thing. The remarkable thing about the past couple of months in politics has been

0:28.3

watching the Democratic Party act like something we have not seen for a long

0:31.9

time a political party a party that makes

0:35.4

decisions collectively a party that does hard things because it wants to win a party that is

0:41.2

more than the vehicle for a single usually man's ambitions.

0:45.0

But parties are made of people and in this case the party was in particular made of a person.

0:51.0

Nancy Pelosi, one of the longest serving speakers, the first female

0:56.0

speaker of the House, and one of the, it sometimes feels like last people left in American politics who knows how to wield power and knows why she

1:06.0

wants to wield power.

1:08.3

She's a new book, The Art of Power, and she came by the Times to talk about what she has learned, why she does

1:15.4

what she does, and how she sees this moment in American politics. Nancy Pelosi, welcome to the show.

1:25.0

Pleasie, welcome to the show.

1:26.9

Pleasure to be here.

1:28.1

So we're talking on the day that Vice President Harris named Tim

1:32.0

Walls as her Vice President Pick in the campaign.

1:35.0

He served with you in the House.

1:37.1

He is the first former member of the House would be on a ticket since Al Gore on a Democratic

1:41.6

ticket at least.

1:43.2

What was he like in the House?

1:44.2

What can you tell us about him to help us get to know him better?

1:46.6

It was remarkable in the House.

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