Jyoti and Auyon Mukharji: My Mother, My Masala
Food with Mark Bittman
Sweetness and Light
4.8 • 981 Ratings
🗓️ 18 February 2026
⏱️ 43 minutes
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Summary
The mother and son duo—co-authors of Heartland Masala—talk to Kate and Mark about what it was like to tour to more than 40 cities together (and, specifically, why it was so wonderful); "mock" authenticity and further thoughts on the authenticity conversation in general, especially as it relates to second-generation immigrants; and "fusion" versus "traditional." Plus: deep thoughts about butter chicken.
Get Jyoti and Auyon's recipes for Masala Brussels Sprouts: https://bittmanproject.com/recipe/masala-brussels-sprouts/
...and Narkol Cholar Daal (Split and Hulled Chickpeas with Coconut): https://bittmanproject.com/recipe/narkol-cholar-daal-split-and-hulled-chickpeas-with-coconut/
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Food with Mark Bitman. I'm Kate Bitman. Thanks for being here. |
| 0:07.9 | We know how many of you are loyal listeners and we appreciate that so much. If you'd like to hear more from |
| 0:13.6 | Mark and me and our small but mighty team, check us out on bitmanproject.com. When you subscribe there, |
| 0:20.4 | you'll get access to our recipe database, |
| 0:23.1 | which now has thousands of recipes, with more added weekly. If you prefer a substack experience, |
| 0:29.3 | we're on there, too, bitmanproject.substack.com. Reach out to us with any questions, comments, |
| 0:36.2 | or stuff you think should be featured on the podcast, on our site, food at markbitman.com. I have a confession. |
| 1:00.7 | I'm drawn to parent-child collaborative projects. |
| 1:04.4 | Surprising, right? |
| 1:06.0 | My parent, Mark, and I found out about Heartland Masala, a cookbook by Mother's Son team Jothi and |
| 1:14.2 | Oyan Mukerjee months and months ago. But due to our terrible scheduling skills, we didn't |
| 1:20.3 | manage to get them on the podcast until now. I'm so glad we stayed the course. This was a joyful |
| 1:26.0 | interview, and I think the first, |
| 1:28.4 | maybe the second, that actually made me tear up a bit. Oyan is actually a musician by trade. |
| 1:34.8 | He's a member of the four-person indie folk band Darlingside, and my dad met him a few months |
| 1:41.0 | ago through a mutual friend, just because they all love music so much. Joti, |
| 1:47.1 | Oyan's mom, has been teaching Indian cooking in America for around 15 years now, and happily |
| 1:53.3 | for all of us, she decided to get a lot of what she's learned and cooked during those years |
| 1:59.8 | down on paper. Heartland Masala is the result, |
| 2:04.2 | and she and Oyan worked on it together. Heartland Masala is a beautiful and cheerful cookbook. |
| 2:11.5 | The illustrations, the commentary, the easy family rapport, and of course the recipes, all come together to make it really unique. |
| 2:20.9 | I'm excited to cook from it. As Jothi said to us, we really walk you through every single recipe. |
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