So Jackie, you've been at the Labour Women's Network today. I can't tell you how exciting I would find that kind of thing.

Well, it's just as well you weren't invited then, Ian, isn't it?

I don't imagine any men were. Correct. Women only space. It was a really good day and it was about fighting sexism in the Labour Party and beyond. We had some really good speakers. I chaired a panel with amongst others on it Jess Phillips and Prit Gill, new woman MP.

So you can imagine it was lively.

But you're probably imagining it as a sort of bunch of po-faced feminists, aren't you?

I have to tell you, there were lots of strong women there, but there was also quite a lot of laughing.

So it was a very good, an invigorating day. Well, I'm so glad that you found it

all invigorating. I just wonder, you know what I'm going to say now, why isn't there a Labour

Men's Network? That is the Labour Party, Ian. That's the problem. I don't know. Aren't there

40% of Labour MPs are female now?

Yeah, I mean, but that's, but frankly, that's because of action like all women shortlists,

which has been campaigned for and defended vigorously by Labor Women's Network.

It's because women have organised in the Labour Party in order to try and make sure that their voice is heard at all levels.

You know, I'm afraid equality doesn't happen by accident. If we were still sitting around waiting for men to decide it was okay for women to get into Parliament, well, a hundred years ago, a hundred years on from the first time women got into Parliament, we'd still be

bloody well waiting. So women have to organise and where they do effectively, and you know,

there's women's organisations in the Tory party as well, but where they organise effectively,

they make progress. But we ain't sitting around waiting for other people to do it for us.

It's still too nil to the Tories, though, isn't it?

Well, in terms of leaders, I accept.

But if in terms of proportion of MPs, first female Home Secretary,

first female foreign secretary...

Who was that? Who was that? First female home secretary? That was the excellent

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