Amicus With Dahlia Lithwick | Law, justice, and the courts - Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson Gives SCOTUS a History Lesson
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🗓️ 8 October 2022
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Dahlia Lithwick is joined by two key players from this week’s consequential voting rights cases at the US Supreme Court. The NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund’s senior counsel Deuel Ross argued part of Merrill v Milligan at the High Court on Tuesday, and Evan Milligan of Alabama Forward is the named plaintiff in one of a pair of cases that argued that Alabama’s congressional maps are racially gerrymandered in violation of Section II of the Voting Rights Act. They take listeners inside the arguments, and provide vital context for the challenges faced by residents of Alabama’s Black Belt in accessing healthcare, infrastructure and not coincidentally, political representation.
Next, Dahlia is joined by Sam Sankar, Senior Vice President of Programs at Earth Justice to discuss what went down in Sackett v EPA, a case argued Monday that could have wide-ranging effects on the waters and wetlands of the United States.
In this week’s Amicus Plus segment, Dahlia is joined by Mark Joseph Stern to talk about the new dynamics of arguments with Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson taking her seat at the High Court, the conservative reaction to their favorite text and history rubric being applied by the first African American woman on the court (huh, they don’t love it?), and what to expect from a new filing in the Mar A Lago investigation that’s on its way to 1, First Street. Sign up for Slate Plus now to listen and support our show.
Dahlia’s new book Lady Justice: Women, the Law and the Battle to Save America, is also available as an audiobook, and Amicus listeners can get a 25% discount by entering the code “AMICUS” at checkout. https://books.supportingcast.fm/lady-justice
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| 0:00.0 | The framers themselves adopted the Equal Protection Clause, the 14th Amendment, the 15th Amendment, in a race-conscious way. |
| 0:11.9 | If we draw racially gerrymandered districts, particularly in a place where you have a small elite group that has cultivated a sociology of racial polarization to benefit themselves |
| 0:22.7 | economically. |
| 0:23.5 | It seems to me that you're coming here and it's totally your right to do it, but really |
| 0:28.3 | saying change the way we look at Section 2 and its application. |
| 0:32.7 | You create districts where you basically have white candidates who have to compete as a zero-sum game |
| 0:40.6 | for the largest number of white voters. |
| 0:42.7 | The only explicit reference to race in the Constitution is in the 15th Amendment, which |
| 0:47.3 | prohibits racial discrimination in voting and gives Congress the authority to determine |
| 0:52.0 | the contours of what laws are important to prohibit discrimination. |
| 1:00.6 | Hi, and welcome back to Slate's amicus podcast. This is a show about the courts, the law, |
| 1:05.8 | and the U.S. Supreme Court, which gaveled in the 2022 term this past Monday. I am Dahlia Lithwick. I cover the |
| 1:14.3 | High Court and the Law for Slate Magazine. And I also wrote the brand new book, Lady Justice, |
| 1:19.7 | about women, the law and how it saves us, but also quite the opposite. And I wrote about the lawyers |
| 1:25.8 | who try to bend that seam toward justice. |
| 1:30.1 | Today we're going to celebrate the opening of the new term by taking you into two of the oral |
| 1:35.3 | arguments heard in the court just this past week, a challenge to the Clean Water Act and a fairly |
| 1:41.3 | existential debate over Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act. |
| 1:45.9 | Maybe to the extent there's a hot take here at all. |
| 1:49.2 | It is that Justice Katanji Brown Jackson is decidedly not going to be sitting around waiting to jump into the fray. |
| 1:57.8 | Later on in the show, Slate Plus listeners are going to get a chance to hear Mark Joseph Stern's first take on the new term. |
| 2:04.8 | And we're going to talk about Justice Jackson's impact, the Mar-a-Lago case, now headed to the Supreme Court, but possibly destined to sit in the mailroom for a while. |
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