Hello, welcome to the next level Sunday show. I'm here with my BFF JBL. We've got a great interview coming up with Ben

Mackenzie. You might remember him as Ryan Atwood from the O.C. but now he's an

investigative journalist and his book Easy Money,

cryptocurrency, Casino Capitalism,

and the Golden Age of Fraud is out now.

It's a great book.

The conversation is super interesting.

We go deep on crypto.

We do a little bit on acting

and a little bit about like being in a midlife crisis and trying to find

work that is fulfilling.

So I think it's a good conversation regardless.

JVial, do you have any thoughts?

It's not a good conversation.

It's a great conversation and for anybody who is

at all interested in the way in which crypto was this enormous wealth transfer that was essentially

fraud happening in broad daylight to the extent that everybody who is on the consumer end

and retail end of it

understood that it was probably fraud but they thought they were the ones who were

going to get rich from it. People on the the actual back end of it as Ben

mentions there's you know in all the discovery from various lawsuits that come on there's one

Internal email from one of these exchanges saying

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