Hey there, it's JVL. On the secret show with Sarah Longwell today, we talked about Ron

DeSantis' big campaign reset, and then about no labels and all the nonsense they've got going on. Here's the show.

We are going to talk about the breaking story by NBC News, which got the leak from the

Santas world about how they are ready to reboot their campaign, and then we're going to talk about no labels.

Sound good?

Great topics.

Yeah, good, good topics.

So, what would you like to do first?

I was going to leave with Santas. Yeah, let's do DeSantis first.

Okay, so let me set the table. The story, I'll just read you the lead to it.

Expect fewer big speeches and more handshaking in diners and churches.

There will be more of a national focus than constant Florida references,

and the mainstream media may start to get more access.

In short, DeSantis will be running as an insurgent

candidate rather than as an incumbent governor. This is from the NBC report.

There's a lot more in it. The reason I would like to talk about this is because not I just want to dunk on them, but because this is deeply concerning to anybody who wants Ron DeSantis to be a viable alternative

to Trump in the primary, which I think both of us would like.

And not because we like Ron DeSantis, but because...

To be clear, we would like somebody else to be the viable alternative to Trump.

We would like somebody else to be a viable alternative to Trump.

Right. If Mike Pence was a viable alternative to Trump? We would like somebody else, it would be great.

If Mike Pence was a viable alternative to Trump or Aesahotchison, it'd be great, right? But the point is, if you're looking

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