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So we were going to call this an abduction roundtable,

but then we have four people participating, including David and myself.

So by adding Dr. David Jacobs,

and we'll call him Dr. David to separate him from just plain David David.

And Bud Hopkins,

we decided to call this the square table.

That's right.

Four sides.

I think that makes perfect sense.

We're sitting down at a diner.

It could almost be the beginning of a Quentin Tarantino film.

We're sitting at a diner, except we will not talk about Madonna.

We'll talk about other things.

Other more interesting topics. We will. And actually,. We'll talk about other things, other more interesting topics.

We will.

And actually, obviously, given that we have Dr. David Jacobs and Bud Hopkins together at a square table,

and I think this is a fairly rare thing to have these two gentlemen in a conversation with each other as well as with other people.

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