Hey, everybody with all of this Epstein stuff that's been coming out over the holidays.

It's been kind of tough to process everything and understand what's really going on.

And I assume for some of you all, like, you've been relatively new to the story and not been

following it minute by minute over the past decade.

And so it's a little bit head swirling.

So I wanted to bring on Julie Brown, who has been covering the Epstein case from the jump, having written the critical story that led to a second indictment.

And so I want to grab her to talk about these recent files, but also just kind of take the lens back for everybody and you kind of

rewind back to that period from 2015, 16, 17, 18 when the attention started to come back

on to Epstein.

He had been first, he was first trans from the 90s and then he first got that sweetheart deal and the

aughts and then the story comes back into focus thanks to Julie Brown and the teens so I wanted to

kind of start there and give everybody a little bit of a timeline a little bit longer lens perspective on

this and then we get into the news as well. So much has been happening for Julie.

She's so busy right now.

I appreciate her taking the time to talk with all of us about that.

I hope you enjoy it.

Up next, Julie K. Brown. Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast.

I'm your host, Tim Miller.

Could not be more delighted to welcome to the show.

So I've got to know a little bit over the past few years.

She is a writer for the Miami Herald. She wrote the Proversion of Justice

series and a book on all the things related to Jeffrey Epstein. It's Julie K. Brown. How you doing,

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