Hey, this is the moment I'm Brian Coppelman, thanks for listening.

This is a really big deal for me, more than almost any conversation I've had.

My guest today is Julia Cameron, author of, among other things, the artist's way.

I mean, she's a successful screenwriter and she writes musicals and she's written many,

many books. But Julia, your work comes up on this podcast and in my life all the time.

And I was saying to my wife earlier today, it doesn't just feel like I'm talking to a

force of nature. It feels like I'm talking to nature itself. And it would be hard to overstate

the impact your work has had on my life. I could make a really credible statement that

I wouldn't have the life that I'm leading if it wasn't, if it weren't for your book.

It actively and definitively changed my life. And it's changed the lives,

a lives of many of the listeners of my podcast too. And I know you know that Tim Ferris on his

podcast talks about morning pages. I'm the person who told him about morning pages because of

what they meant to me. And so I just want to start by saying thank you and tell you how grateful

I am for the work that you've done. Well, you're very welcome. And it's exciting to me to feel

that I am a building block in someone else's dream. So I'm happy to hear that I was,

the book was useful. It feels wonderful to me. And I'm happy to meet you.

And do you, do you walk around with the awareness? What does it like, what does it feel like to

walk around with the awareness of how many lives you've shifted in that way? But both the artists

that you've helped and then the audiences of those artists work. Do you, do you allow yourself

moments of really owning that level of influence and impact you've had? No, I don't.

I sometimes will be alone dining at a cafe and someone will come up to me and say,

do you know you look like Julia Cameron? As I will say, oh, I am Julia Cameron. And then they

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