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She's in Berlin. The OECD, the rich countries, what must be done to participate in the defense of Ukraine,

to provide for NATO's defense from the Russian provocations, to maintain leadership in the defense of Ukraine to provide for NATO's defense from the Russian provocations to maintain

leadership in the world in the 21st century what must be done domestically at home in order

to secure the states from what is a challenge now by the so-called populace in Berlin, in Paris, in London, in Rome.

The populist party is rising because here Judy outlines what must be done.

A major lift.

More of this tonight.

Mel, this organization for the economic cooperation development countries is a kind of rich

club in many ways, as the economist likes to call it.

But I think there is a feeling across most EU member states that the economy is not functioning

as well as it should, that there's a huge shortage of labour.

Populism is playing into this element too because it's holding back fundamental reforms, pension reform, social welfare reforms, infrastructure reforms, education reforms.

And so several EU leaders across the EU member states have to find ways to

spur growth on the one hand and on the other hand find ways to keep the populace in the far right

at bay. And essentially if they want to do the second, keep them at bay,

the first has to be delivered rather, rather quickly

to actually take away the sales of the far right and the populist movements.