So, Jim, I take this to be not in any way a negative comment about Deborah, but I do think it's indicative of already the cycle is beginning to break down and things are beginning to become more chaotic as we see develop through the rest of the cycle of the judges.

Yeah, I would agree with that. And I would also say, you know, in response to sometimes we hear egalitarian arguments that appeal to Deborah, and I think

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My name is Alex Duke, and with me are my two friends.

Sam Amati.

Jim Hamilton.

So guys, last week we covered Judges Chapter 3, right?

That's what we did?

Most of chapter three.

And actually, at the beginning of that episode, I thought we were going to do three, four, and five.

And lo and behold, we spent way too much time on three.

Way too much time.

Come on now.

I should say way more time than I thought we would on our chapter three.

So here we are today.

We're going to cover chapters four and five of judges.

Okay. Now, before we get into some of the details here, I would like to remind our audience,

what, what, again, is the sort of cycle that we have talked about in the book of judges that gets

repeated and sometimes there's some variation on the theme? What is that, Sam?

Cycle of the judges is that the people rebel, then Yahweh hands them over to their enemies,

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