Hi and welcome to the Working Songwriter.

The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop, I'm your host Joe Pug.

Each episode here we host a distinguished guest and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration,

in their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, asking your nephew to set up a sound cloud account

for you or else a scrappy upstart, asking your uncle how to hook up his old real to real

tape machine.

This is your show because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most and iron-clad

excuse to put off, actually writing.

Hey everybody, it's the fourth Friday of July 2022 and I thank you for joining us.

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