Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest,

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process,

on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran trying to barter your publishing rights for board ape NFTs,

or else a scrappy upstart, trying to buy back your publishing from the indie label in Des Moines

that bought it in perpetuity for $600.

This is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most an ironclad excuse to put off

actually writing.

Hey everybody, it's the last Friday of July 22, and I thank you for joining us.

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