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And I'm Asha Dornfest, and we're here to help you edit the unnecessary from your life so you have more room to enjoy the awesome.

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Hello, friends. Today I am talking with my dear friend, Karen Walrun, you might recognize her because

we have interviewed her on this podcast before. Karen is a writer. She's a photographer, a leadership

coach, and many other things. But today, I'm going to be talking to her in her role as author of the

new book, The Lightmakers Manifesto, How to Work for Change Without Losing Your joy. This is such an important book.

I'm so excited about it because in this book,

she doesn't just make the case that activism can be joyful.

She actually counts activism as one of the ingredients of a joyful and meaningful life.

She shares stories, interviews, and has this amazing insight, which I really have

never heard before in the way that she brings it. And she really shows that there is a lightmaker

and a change maker in all of us. And she gives us a manual for embracing it. I just feel like the

timing for this book could not be better. And the timing for Karen's voice could not be better either. So welcome, Karen. I'm so thrilled to be talking to you. Oh my gosh. The generosity never quits with you, does it? It's awesome. I am so excited to be here. Thank you for having me. Oh, you're welcome. You're welcome. I just feel like, you know, I feel like we're in, actually, we're continuing a conversation we've been having in some ways for years, but also specifically around this book. I mean, we've talked a lot. And I'm just, I'm just really excited to dig in with you. Oh, me too. And let's, let's be very, very transparent. Like I, you were one of the sages that I

actually consulted as part of writing of this book. So your lovely wisdom is in there as well.

I am in this book. And yes, I was part of this. It's, um, it sounds so formal for me to say this,

but I'm to say it anyway. It's an honor now that I see the entire book, and it wasn't just conversations we were having when I see all the ways that you have brought together all of these stories and examples, it's pretty amazing to be a part of this. Thank you. It was amazing to write it. It was really a gift to write it. Well, let's talk a little bit about writing this book because, you know, you call this book The Lightmakers Manifesto, which already, you know, it sort of makes my ears perk up.

That's a, that's a pretty powerful title.

And, you know, in it you really are talking about what you call joyful activism.

Now, joyful activism.

This is a phrase I expect might have more

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