Journal Review in Surgical Education: Away Rotations & Sub-Internships

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🗓️ 21 April 2025

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

Thinking about doing an away rotation? In this episode of Behind the Knife, we break down everything you need to know about away rotations and sub-internships. From how to apply and what to expect to making a great impression and building connections, we’ve got you covered. Plus, we discuss whether you should even do an away rotation at all and how to decide if it's the right move for your application. We’re joined by a fantastic and diverse group of general surgery residents who share their insights, tips, and experiences.

Episode Hosts:
–Dr. Josh Roshal, University of Texas Medical Branch, @Joshua_Roshal, jaroshal@utmb.edu
–Dr. Colleen McDermott, University of Utah, @ColleenMcDMD, Colleen.McDermott@hsc.utah.edu
–Dr. Sophia Williams-Perez, Baylor College of Medicine, @SophWPerez, Sophia.Williams-Perez@bcm.edu
–CoSEF: @surgedfellows, cosef.org

Guests:
Dr. Steven Thornton, Duke University Medical Center, @swthorntonjr
swt12@duke.edu
Dr. Nicole Santucci, Washing University in St. Louis, @nicolemsantucci
snicole@wustl.edu
Abbas Karim, MS3, University of Texas Medical Branch, @_AbbasKarim
aakarim@utmb.edu
Reagan Collins, MS4, Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center, @ReaganACollins, reagan.collins@ttuhsc.edu
Dr. Annie Hierl, Indiana University, @annie_hierl
ahierl@iu.edu
Dr. Jorge Zarate Rodriguez, Washington University in St Louis, @jzaraterod, j.zarate@wustl.edu
References:

McDermott CE, Anand A, Brian R, Gan C, L'Huillier JC, Lund S, Sathe T, Silvestri C, Woodward JM. Should I Do a General Surgery Away Rotation?: Perspectives From the Collaboration of Surgical Education Research Fellows (CoSEF). Ann Surg Open. 2024 Dec 3;5(4):e509. doi: 10.1097/AS9.0000000000000509. PMID: 39711667; PMCID: PMC11661735. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39711667/

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0:00.0	Behind the Knife, The Surgery Podcast, relevant and engaging content to the sixth episode of the Behind the Knife podcast series
0:25.9	brought to you by the collaboration of surgical education fellows or Kosef. My name is
0:30.4	Josh O'Shael. I'm a general surgery resident at the Brigham in Boston and a surgical education
0:34.8	research fellow at the branch in Galveston, Texas.
0:38.0	In our last episode, we talked about professional development time and professional identity
0:42.1	formation and surgical training.
0:44.0	In this journal club episode, we're going to be talking about something that may be on
0:47.4	many a trainees' mind this spring, and that's away rotations and sub-internships.
0:52.4	Today I'm happy to have two awesome KOSF members joining the
0:55.0	show. First off, we have Dr. Sophia Williams-P-Prez. Texas is being represented quite well today.
1:00.8	Thanks, Josh. Hey, everyone. I'm Sophia, and I'm a general surgery resident at Baylor College of Medicine,
1:06.1	and I'm also a former health profession scholarship program or HPSP recipient in the U.S. Navy.
1:12.9	So I'm currently serving in the reserves during my civilian residency.
1:17.2	Glad to have you on the show.
1:18.6	And we also have Dr. Colleen McDermott, who actually led the charge on the paper we're going to be discussing in this episode.
1:24.7	Welcome to the show, Colleen.
1:25.8	Thanks for having me again, Kosef, and I wrote an
1:28.8	editorial that's available in the annals of surgery Open Access that shares our framework for
1:33.3	thinking about away rotations and general surgery. We'll discuss that piece today and more in
1:38.1	terms of generally talking about sub-eyes and away rotations. The paper will also be linked in the
1:42.6	show notes in this episode. Wait, wait, wait. Before we get started, for all of you new listeners out there, you might be
1:48.4	wondering, what the heck is Kosef? Well, we're a multi-institutional organization of surgical
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