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Emergency Medicine Cases

Journal Jam 1: Age Adjusted D-dimer with Jeff Kline and Jonathan Kirschner

Emergency Medicine Cases

Dr. Anton Helman

Education, Health & Fitness, Courses, Medicine, Science

4.7602 Ratings

🗓️ 15 September 2014

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

In this first ever episode of the Journal Jam podcast, a collaboration between EM Cases, Academic Life in EM and The Annals of Emergency Medicine's Global Emergency Medicine Journal Club, Teresa Chan and I, along with Jeff Kline, Jonathan Kirschner, Anand Swaminathan, Salim Rezaie and Sam Shaikh from ALiEM, discuss the potential for Age Adjusted D-dimer to rule out pulmonary embolism in low risk patients over the age of 50. We discuss 4 key questions about the ADJUST-PE Study from JAMA in March 2014 including: Would you order a CTPA on a 60 year old woman with an age adjusted D-dimer of 590 ng/L? The problem until now has been that the older the patient, the more likely the D-dimer is to be positive whether they have a PE or not, so many of us have thrown the D-dimer out the window in older patients and go straight to CTPA, even in low risk patients. If you are a risk averse doc, this strategy will lead to over-utilization of resources, huge costs, length of stay, radiation effects etc; and if you’re not so risk averse, then you might decide not to work up the low risk older patient at all and miss clinically important PEs. expert peer reviewFor all the questions discussed on this podcast, the original Google Hangout interview from which this podcast was based, and the crowd sourced opinions from around world, visit the ALiEM website. Many thanks to all the talented people who made this podcast possible. Together, we're smarter!

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0:00.0

I'm Anton Helman, and I'm Teresa Chan.

0:08.0

And this is the Journal Jam podcast, where we blend interviews with leading researchers of important emergency medicine journal articles.

0:18.1

With the Annals of Emergency Medicine and academic life in emergency medicine, joint global

0:23.5

emergency medicine journal talk.

0:25.2

And the best of crowdsourced social media-based opinions of emergency medicine providers

0:29.8

from around the world.

0:32.9

In this first ever episode of the Journal Jam podcast, Teresa and I are super stoked to talk about the potential for age-adjusted D-Dimer to rule out pulmonary embolism in low-risk patients over the age of 50.

0:46.0

Now, we all know from experience that PE can be excruciatingly difficult to diagnose clinically because the symptoms and signs are often non-specific and overlap with a whole

0:55.5

slew of other diagnoses like pneumonia, for example. For years, we've been using the well

1:00.8

score to help us categorize patients as low, medium, or high risk, and then use it to help us

1:06.5

decide which patients we might be able to rule out PE with a negative D-Dimer.

1:12.5

So the problem till now has been that the older the patient, the more likely the D-Dimer is to be

1:18.1

positive whether they have a P-E or not. So many of us have thrown the D-Dimer out the window

1:23.4

in older patients and go straight to CTPA, which if you're a risk-averse doc might lead to

1:30.0

over-utilization of resources, huge costs, increased length of stay, increased radiation effects,

1:36.6

etc. And if you're not so risk-averse, then you might miss P.E.s in older patients,

1:41.4

and we don't want that to happen either. So the format of this podcast

1:45.1

is that Teresa and I will give you a bit of background on the adjust PE trial. We'll describe the

1:50.6

paper itself, and then we'll jump into the interview that Sam Sheikh, Anand Swami Nathan,

1:56.4

and Salim Raseh from Academic Life and Emergency Medicine, due with Jeff Klein, who's the vice chair

2:02.4

for research at the Indiana University of School of Medicine and probably the world's most

2:07.4

important researcher in thrombolic disease from an emergency medicine perspective, as well as

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