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Impolitic with John Heilemann

Josh Tyrangiel: AI, What is it Good For? Absolutely Something (Say It Again)

Impolitic with John Heilemann

Audacy | Puck

News, Politics

4.84.5K Ratings

🗓️ 22 May 2026

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

John welcomes former Bloomberg Businessweek editor and current Atlantic staff writer Josh Tyrangiel to discuss his new book, “AI for Good: How Real People Are Using Artificial Intelligence to Fix Things That Matter.” Tyrangiel, who until recently wrote a column on AI for The Washington Post, weighs in on the verdict against Elon Musk in his $150 billion lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI; why the wannabe kings of the AI industry are less interesting than the question of what—today and in the future—AI is actually good for; and why, despite enraging both the left and parts of the military establishment, Palantir isn’t so bad, after all. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Aloha Namaste and welcome to Impolitic with John Heilman, a puck and Odyssey joint.

1:11.8

The biggest news this week in the world of business arrived on Monday, courtesy of the nine-person jury in the U.S. District Court in Oakland, California, tasked with rendering a verdict in the matter of Elon Musk et al versus Samuel Altman at Al, the $150 billion lawsuit filed by the former

1:19.8

against the latter for having improperly turned the company they founded together, OpenAI,

1:26.4

from a charitable nonprofit entity into a for-profit corporation,

1:31.1

for fraud and constructive fraud in raising initial funding for the company, including roughly

1:37.0

$40 million from Musk himself personally, under false pretenses, and for benefiting from,

1:43.7

quote, unjust enrichment in the process.

1:47.6

Unjust enrichment describes basically all the enrichment in Silicon Valley, as far as I'm concerned.

1:51.6

Anyway, the three-week-long trial was covered breathlessly and watched compulsively by those in the

1:58.5

self-obsessed, borderline incestuous AI industry in Silicon Valley,

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