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Impolitic with John Heilemann

James Traub: When the Bough Breaks

Impolitic with John Heilemann

Audacy | Puck

News, Politics

4.84.5K Ratings

🗓️ 26 May 2026

⏱️ 83 minutes

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Summary

John welcomes author James Traub to discuss his latest book, “The Cradle of Citizenship: How Schools Can Help Save Our Democracy.” Traub describes the year he spent reporting in K-12 classrooms across the country; the fierce culture wars after the Covid-19 pandemic in many school systems around race, gender, curricula, and library collections; the debate over the 1619 Project and 1776 Report; and other signs of politicized rot in primary and secondary education. He also points to signs of hope, including the rise of so-called "classical" charter schools—and explains why the reflexive liberal opposition to them is misguided. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Aloha Namaste and welcome to Impolitic with John Hyalman, a puck and odyssey joint.

0:12.3

It is now almost exactly two months since we taped the episode you're about to hear with noted journalist and author James Trubb about his new book, The Cradle of Citizenship, How Schools Can Help Save Our Democracy.

0:30.3

As it happens when we taped the interview, exactly two months ago, the book had already been out for two months.

0:36.9

The book was published in January.

0:38.7

Now, you are almost certainly going to say that we're late. Late with the episode, late getting

0:45.7

to this book, if it's important. And you're right. We're late. I would point out a couple of things.

0:52.2

One, we've been a little busy around here trying to keep up with

0:56.5

the Trump 2.0 fire hose of news in the calendar year 2026, which has included, as you may

1:06.0

well be aware, a war overseas in Iran that's still ongoing and a whole bunch of other stuff that has made it

1:14.6

hard to focus on even very important perennial longstanding issues such as the state of

1:21.6

American education. And that is the other excuse that we have for taking this long to get this episode up, which is that this really is a perennial issue.

1:31.6

I mean, they're for basically all of our lives here on planet Earth.

1:35.4

We've all been worried, fretting, sometimes in panic over the state of American education, especially at the K-12 level, which is where

1:44.7

Jim Trowb has decided to focus.

1:46.7

And because of the fact that this is an evergreen issue of great concern and great

1:50.6

importance, but one that's with us all the time.

1:52.5

And because of all the news we've been facing, it took us a little while.

1:55.3

Okay.

1:56.1

That's my maya culpah for today.

1:57.7

Now, the fact that it's taken us this long to get this episode up does not

2:02.8

suggest in any way that this is not an incredibly important book about an incredibly important

2:08.1

issue. And indeed, those are the kinds of issues that Jim Traub has covered throughout his career

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