The following podcast contains explicit language.

Hey, this is the moment.

I'm Brian Koppelman.

Thanks for listening. I'm Brian Koppelman. Thanks for listening. I'm excited about this.

Today's guest is the singer-songwriter, record maker Josh Ritter, whose new album,

Sermon on the Rocks, is just the has in this new dark ages.

Yeah.

It has brought me a tremendous amount of joy. So thanks for that.

Oh, thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. So I've heard this word joyous

associated with the record a bunch of times.

And you're singing about the world that we live in.

You're not pulling any punches.

You're on the album, you certainly talk about estrangment and being back together and you certainly talk about

The way in which we judge people and about things like the ephemeral meaning of home and all this stuff. And yet people find our finding, I think,

this joyous abandon running through it.

Was that intentional?

Is that how you think about it?

Well, I think this last record was the first time with sermon on the rocks where I realized fully that what you're

doing in your life should be an adventure.

And I wanted the record to be an adventure,

and I wanted writing it to be an adventure.

You know, I just felt like if I wanted to really

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