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The Good Fight

Joseph Heath on the Death of Marxism

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

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4.6907 Ratings

🗓️ 4 November 2025

⏱️ 86 minutes

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Summary

Joseph Heath is a professor in the Department of Philosophy at the University of Toronto. A fellow of the Royal Society of Canada and the Trudeau Foundation, Heath is the author of several books, including Enlightenment 2.0 and The Machinery of Government. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Joseph Heath discuss the death of Western Marxism, approaches to equality, and how to create an equal society. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: [email protected] Podcast production by Mickey Freeland and Leonora Barclay. Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google X: @Yascha_Mounk & @JoinPersuasion YouTube: Yascha Mounk, Persuasion LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

No matter how bad the neighborhood anywhere in Canada, there's a gigantic no frills right in the

0:06.0

middle of it, right? And why? Because it's, it's, there's no reason you can't put a discounted

0:12.7

grocery store in even the worst neighborhood, uh, in Toronto or Vancouver because people don't

0:17.6

have guns, right? And that's just like game-changing on so many aspects of it, right?

0:21.8

So you see this huge academic debate

0:23.9

about food security and food deserts,

0:26.1

but the policy space that they have available, again,

0:29.1

is so constrained by just the sheer violence

0:32.2

of the crime that does occur in American society.

0:36.4

And now the Good Fight with Yasha Monk.

0:45.0

Well, today I want to invite you to geek out with me a little bit.

0:50.7

As some of you know, I have a PhD in political science, and most specifically in political

0:55.8

theory. I don't talk about political theory all that much on this podcast, but today I had a great

1:02.4

political philosopher on the podcast. Joseph Heath is a professor of philosophy at the University of

1:10.4

Toronto and the author of a really interesting

1:13.8

popular substack called Indu course. And one of the things he's written about both in his academic

1:20.2

work and on substack is the grand debate about equality in the 1920s century. Why it is that the inability of 19th century

1:31.4

liberalism to address deep concerns about inequality, about the market power of proto-capitalists

1:39.1

led to the success of socialism and Marxism. And how it is that the Marxist tradition itself

1:47.3

then ended up being unable to formulate in a coherent way

1:51.3

some of the concerns about capitalism in the 20th century.

1:57.8

Why it is, in particular, that the core Marxist language of exploitation of workers

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