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The James Altucher Show

Jordan B. Peterson | Exploring the Phenomenal Logical Landscape of Humanity

The James Altucher Show

James Altucher

Education, Business

4.62.7K Ratings

🗓️ 26 February 2023

⏱️ 85 minutes

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Summary

"You have the ideal life," I said. "You think about things. And people pay attention. And you get paid for it." I was talking to Jordan B. Peterson. His YouTube channel has tens of millions of views. He's a clinical psychologist, professor, and author of 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos, and now a guest on this podcast.People stop him on the street. They say "Thank you." They say, "You've changed my life.""What did you say that helped their life?" I asked.But I already knew the answer...Because it's true for me too.He told them what they were ready to hear. That's it. And they acted. Sometimes people thank me. And I tell them "You did it." Then we take a picture and I feel happy.I asked Jordan about his "12 rules for life.""I tried to lay out the phenomenal logical landscape of humanity in this book," Jordan said.I interrupted."What's phenomenal logical?""It's life as experienced. Ya know, you think, 'What's reality?' Well, there's material reality, but that isn't the reality you live. You live a reality that's full of emotions and motivations and personal experiences. That's your reality."I stayed silent. I was collecting."But what's the structure of that reality? What's the fundamental structure of the human-lived reality?" he said. "Part of it is suffering because we're finite and limited. But it's suffering that's tainted with malevolence because some of that suffering is unnecessary. You cause it, society causes it. It doesn't have to happen. That's the world we live in. It's hard and it's cruel."Then he said, "You're stuck with that. That's the bottom line. So how are you going to deal with it?"I think that's the basis of how we live. The answer to that question "how are you going to deal with it?" With losing money, hating your job, getting fired. That's the act. The response is life.He gave me a lot of steps (for dealing with cruelty and suffering). I'll give you some in a minute. But you should also listen to him on the podcast because he gives so much more in that one hour than I could ever collect on this page.STEP 1 - Get in touch with your dissatisfaction.STEP 2 - Take stock of your life (what can you do differently? What are the small steps? Don't actually take them (yet). Just start by learning what you don't like and what you do like in your life right now). Do that for a week.Those steps continue. But he also said this:"You have to choose your pathway of suffering. That's one way of thinking about it. You can choose the suffering that's associated with deceit, arrogance, resentment, bitterness or you can choose the suffering that's associated with truth. The suffering that's associated with truth transcends. It starts to make things better. Deceit makes life worse. And truth makes it better. "I needed examples-dozens of them.I just kept throwing life problems at Jordan to see what he'd say. He told me how he solves conflicts with his wife. And how he managed his depression. He told me his thoughts on "the grind of life."Because it's every day. And it's hard.But there are things we can do to make ourselves more okay with our chaos and the chatter between our ears. We can follow rules (like Jordan's) or make our own.I'm doing both.Links and Resources12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos by Jordan B. PetersonJordan's website: jordanbpeterson.comFollow Jordan on Twitter and FacebookWatch him on YouTube (his channel has over 6.5 million subscribers)Also MentionedTools of Titans by Tim FerrissJordan's interview with Joe Rogan Carl PanzeranA quote from Carl Jung: "Modern people can't see God because they won't look low enough"------------Visit Notepd.com to read our idea lists & sign up to create your own!My new book Skip the Line is out! Make sure you get a copy wherever books are sold!Join the You Should Run for President 2.0 Facebook Group, where we discuss why you should run for President.I write about all... See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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0:00.0

A few years ago, I had a relatively unknown author named Jordan Peterson on the podcast.

0:14.6

To be honest, before I read his first book, 12 Rules for Life and Antidote for Chaos, I

0:19.7

didn't really know who he was.

0:20.7

Now I knew a lot of people did know who he was, but I didn't.

0:24.1

And I read the book and I thought it was really good and really good advice.

0:28.2

And the chapters are almost overly simplistic, but then when you read the book, you see

0:31.6

why they're overly simplistic.

0:33.6

But there's some very good advice titles.

0:36.6

Like do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them or make friends

0:41.8

with people who want the best for you.

0:43.1

Now these are almost cliches.

0:44.6

They're so obvious.

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But then he tells really deep stories and reasons and historical reasons, psychological

0:50.0

reasons, why these things are true.

0:53.4

And I guess at the time he was controversial because there was stuff going on with Canada

0:59.9

where you were required to use certain words to describe transgender.

1:04.0

And his whole point from the beginning was he did not want the government to tell them

1:08.4

what words to use.

1:10.6

He had nothing to do with sexual politics or anything like that.

1:15.6

As far as I know, and to this day, from my conversations with him and people around him,

1:20.0

and you see this from his writings.

1:21.2

He's just, he's very scared about anything that looks like the beginnings of fascism.

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