Jones v. North Carolina Prisoners' Labor Union
5-4
Prologue Projects
4.6 • 3.2K Ratings
🗓️ 27 May 2025
⏱️ 43 minutes
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Summary
If the Supreme Court can take away constitutional rights from one minority group, it can do it to any of us. Yes, even podcasters.
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| 0:00.0 | We'll hear arguments next in number 1874, Jones against North Carolina prisoners union. |
| 0:11.9 | Hey everyone. This is Leon from Prologue Projects. On this episode of 5 to 4, Peter, Riannon, and Michael |
| 0:19.8 | are talking about Jones v. North Carolina Prisoners' Labor Union. |
| 0:23.6 | This case from 1977 is about the First Amendment rights of people in prison, specifically about their right to unionize. |
| 0:31.6 | In the 1970s, prison inmates in North Carolina formed a labor union to advocate for better conditions. |
| 0:38.7 | The Department of Corrections allowed the union to exist, but its members were prohibited |
| 0:42.8 | from recruiting new members or holding union meetings. |
| 0:46.3 | So the members of the union sued, claiming violations of their First Amendment and equal |
| 0:50.9 | protection rights. |
| 0:52.3 | The Supreme Court ruled in favor of the prison administrators |
| 0:55.2 | on the basis that unions could create divisions among inmates and lead to riots. This is |
| 1:00.9 | 5 to 4, a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks. |
| 1:07.8 | Welcome to 5 to 4, where we dissect and analyze the Supreme Court cases that have killed off our civil rights, like old age, killing off congressional Democrats. |
| 1:16.9 | Oop, Oop, Oop. |
| 1:18.9 | Peter, I'm here with Riannon. |
| 1:20.7 | Hey. |
| 1:21.5 | And Michael. |
| 1:22.5 | That's three this year. |
| 1:24.5 | Three in the first five months, four months of their term, five months, |
| 1:28.7 | Jesus Christ. I'm fun, notwithstanding that I'm crazy. Jerry Connolly died this morning, |
| 1:37.0 | the day of recording, Wednesday, May 21st. Of course, just a few months after strong-arming AOC out of the oversight position and then having |
| 1:47.0 | to step down from that position, at the time, a lot of young lefties were like, doesn't it |
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