Welcome to the Eric Metaxus show with your host, Eric Mettaxas.

Oh, hello. I didn't see you come in. My name's Eric. This is my program. So I have to be here. I don't know why you're here. But maybe it's because I have some really exciting guests on now and again. For example, in a moment, I'm going to be talking to John Seidel, Jonathan Seidle, since we're just introducing him right now. He has a new book out. It's called Finding

Rest, a Survivor's Guide to Navigating the Valleys of Anxiety, Faith, and Life. The Forward

is written by Kirk Cameron. Oh yeah, that's right. Must be an important book if Kirk Cameron

decided he would write the forward to it.

Jonathan Seidel, you're a pretty big shot. How in the world did you get Kirk Cameron to write the forward to this book?

I just, I can't believe this. What is going on around here is my question.

Because I couldn't get Eric Metaxus to write it. So, you know, I had to go to Kirk. You had to go to Kirk. That's so sad. I'm so sorry. Eric Mataxis is such a jerk. He just doesn't care about other people. Let me just say this. Seriously, I've known you for a long time. You've been all over the place in a good way. I'm trying to remember you worked with IAM second. I've talked about I am second

many, many times on this program. People need to go to IAM second.com. My testimony is there,

along with the testimonies of scores of very, very interesting, varied people. I am second.

You were with them. You've worked with Glenn Beck. I mean, you've kind of been all over the place.

And now you're doing your own thing. And you've written a book. Is this a book where faith comes into the conversation?

So I think it's a compliment that I got from someone who I told this is a faith-based book on mental health and

anxiety. And then they read it and they said, wow, I was really surprised by how much faith is in here.

And I said, well, I mean, that was the point. But so yes, to answer your question, it is really a

faith-based approach to how do we deal with our mental health issues, you know, especially

in this time where they are popping up like crazy. I believe this is my thesis. I've been saying

this lately that the madness through which we are currently going, by the way, folks, if you don't

think this is madness, you are in fact mad. You're crazy if you don't think circumstances are

crazy. They are crazy and the sane people know that they're crazy. But the fact is,

anxiety goes up because absolutely none of us has had to deal with this before. Most of us

have not had to deal with the madness. I mean, it doesn't,

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