Some companies invest in leadership training for only the elite few. What would happen if this education were more evenly dispersed into middle-management roles? And what if professional and personal development were part of one shared path, not two? Chris and Jare interview Jonathan Raymond, author of Good Authority and CEO of Refound, a company that is more work culture explorers than typical consultants. We recently worked with them and learned a lot - check it out! Drink coffee with a purpose: https://catandcloud.com/products/subscription Related Episodes! Julia Mayer of Dune Coffee Roasters: https://apple.co/2DMVAY4 Links! Refound website: www.refound.com Peep Jonathan's book, Good Authority: www.refound.com/start The Basecamp book, It Doesn't Have to Be Crazy At Work: https://basecamp.com/books/calm