This investigation revealed that Donald Trump engaged in years of illegal conduct to inflate

his net worth to achieve, to deceive banks and the people of the great state in New York.

Claiming you have money that you do not have does not amount to the art of the deal.

It's the art of the steal. And there cannot be different rules for different people in this country

or in this state. And former presidents are no different. And so today we are making good

on that promise on our commitment because no one, no one is above the law.

Welcome to the Bullwark podcast. I'm Charlie Sykes. That was of course New York Attorney General

Latisha James filing a massive 220 page civil lawsuit against the Trump organization Trump

and his adult children. So joining me to talk about all of this Jonathan Lamir White House

bureau chief for Politico and host of MSNBC's Way Too Early and author of the new book The Big

Lie Election Chaos Political Opportunism and the state of American politics after 2020. Thanks

for joining us Jonathan. My pleasure Charlie. Thanks for having me. So this feels like an evergreen

question surprising shocking. What is the significance of that civil lawsuit? And of course we

ought to mention the criminal referrals both to SDNY the feds and to the IRS. So shocking,

surprising, same old feel like we've been asking this question for six years now.

It's probably all of the above. I think when we take a step back and recognize this is a former

president of the United States. This still remains shocking and stunning. It's unprecedented.

Because it's Donald Trump and it seems like every day he picks up another legal piece of legal

jeopardy than perhaps it becomes same old same old. But this one has been looming for a while.

The Attorney General of New York is a civil lawsuit as you say but there are criminal referrals

so there could be action down the road but even in the short term it could be significant

financial penalty for Trump and Trump organization barred from doing business in the state of New York.

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