Jonathan Karl: Vengeance Is Mine, Sayeth the President

Impolitic with John Heilemann

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Politics, News

4.8 • 4.2K Ratings

🗓️ 1 December 2025

⏱️ 82 minutes

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John welcomes ABC News chief Washington correspondent Jonathan Karl to discuss his new book, “Retribution: Donald Trump and the Campaign That Changed America.” The author of three previous bestsellers about 45/47, Karl describes how Trump has – and hasn’t – changed in the 30-plus years since the two first met; how Trump's desire for vengeance against his political foes became the driving force of his 2024 campaign and has dominated his second term in office; and his complex love-hate relationship with the press (with Karl as a prime example). Karl also weighs in on how much sway Steve Bannon actually has with Trump, and Nancy Pelosi's behind-the-scenes role in ending Joe Biden’s reelection campaign. See all the ways bp is investing in America at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ . To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:14.4	power in America, sculpting and shaping the ebb and flow of our politics and culture.
1:19.8	There have been a lot, and I mean a lot, of books written about Donald Trump over the past
1:25.4	10 years or so, that he's been unavoidably, relentlessly
1:30.7	in our faces as the defining figure of this political age. Some of these books have been great.
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