Welcome to the Eric Mataxis show.

Today, Eric will interview a man with the head of a turkey.

No joke.

The rest of his body is perfectly normal, but his tiny turkey head is very unnerving.

It's teeny weaning.

And now, Eric Mataxis. head is very unnerving. It's Cheney Wheaty. And now, Eric Metaxus.

Folks, welcome to the program.

I am still talking to Dr. John Lennox.

We thought we'd carried over into the second hour here.

And we were just talking about the meaning of meaning, and you were saying that if somebody

doesn't believe in transcendent meaning, if they don't believe in the Bible, they don't believe

a God exists beyond this universe, this is all there is, they say, well, we have to create our

own meaning.

Now, the problem with that, it seems to me, is that they are contradicting themselves. In other words, if you say that we evolved

by a random mutation, via accidental processes into who we are today, then we have no value. There is no

such thing as meaning. And if we confront that,'ll be like albert camus or sart we

will we will see the hopelessness and try to find a way out of it but a lot of people aren't willing

to see the bleakness of what they say they believe they pretend that they can have it both ways

and what they do really is borrow,

you know, from the meaning that they have. They don't, they don't question where it came from.

They just, they just grab it and they talk about this is important. If family is important,

something's important. But they're not, they're not dealing with the fact that if this is all

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