Welcome to part two of my chat with the wonderful John Ronson and his

spaniel poodle cross Josie and if you haven't listened to part one yet I

really recommend you do because this man is hilarious and fascinating.

Also if you want to see John in person you're in luck because he's touring the UK this

autumn in John Ronson's psychopath nights, a show inspired by his best-selling book, The Psychopath Test, so do go get your tickets

at feign.co. UK. And while you're at it, I'd love it if you subscribe to walking the dog.

I'll shut up now so you can listen to the brilliant man himself.

Here's John and Josie and Ray Ray.

Your parents must have been so proud, Don, when you got your stuff published.

What did they say?

Well, it took a while for them to be proud, I would say.

I also remember my mother, I had a short story in a book,

and my mother said, I read your story the one after it was so good she said

It's like I was watching a Steve Martin documentary the other day and he showed his father the

jerk and his father said, well, you know Charlie Chaplin.

And actually I got a little bit of that off of my parents.

Your memoir should be called the one after.

Yeah, they thought, yeah.

So it took a while, I'd say, for them to be proud. I don't know what it was that when it hit, like when they thought, oh, you have done really well.

I do remember at one point they said to me, you became really successful without any help from us whatsoever.

So at one point they realized that I you know it was an accomplishment.

And does your brother are we allowed to know what he does?

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