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Alright this guy is a giant. If you're meditating today odds are it is indirectly or directly

because of John Kabinzen. He is an MIT trained scientist who many decades ago had the brilliant

idea which was he took Buddhist meditation and he stripped all the metaphysical claims

and the religious jargon out of it and he started teaching it in a fully secular way through

something called mindfulness based stress reduction, MBSR. And this was a massively consequential

move because teaching it in this kind of eight week standardized protocol without any religious

overtones allowed for what happened next which was a scores of scientists to swoop in and

to measure what kind of psychological and physiological changes happen for people when

they meditate. And that is why I believe we now have millions of people who are meditating

and are happier and healthier as a result. So I think John Kabinzen is as I said before

a giant and possibly even a historical figure. He's also an awesome dude so it was a pleasure

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