Hey I'm John Goodwin, I'm here with positive University and I'm here with Erwin McManus right now.

Erwin is someone who's been a huge influence in my life.

I don't talk about this often when I speak to business and sports teams but

Erwin's a pastor many years ago he was giving a talk why I followed Jesus it

spoke to me so much it just had a huge impact on my life.

My life has never been the same.

So to be able to talk to him now about his new book

and about his life just means so much to me.

It started out with me just listen to him on a podcast

and then we became friends

and now we're like family.

So Erwin, we've known each other a long time I just want to say

thanks for taking this time to talk to me and about your book.

John man I this is so much fun I've never done Zoom before so you're

introducing me into a new world,

but that's not unlike you.

Thank you so much.

Well, Zoom likes Skype, but it's supposed to have better connections,

so let's hope we have this on this video call.

So, you know, let's dive right in. Let's talk about this book the last era. I mean I love this book. People are loving this book. I was just at a conference. Three people came up to me and said that they're reading this,

that they love it.

Why did you write the last arrow?

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