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Aloha and namaste, everyone, and welcome to Impolitick with John Heilman, a puck and

Odyssey joint featuring lively in-depth conversations with the people who cruise the corridors of power in America, sculpting and shaping the ebb and flow of our politics and culture. As we come to the end of another year, in this case, I think it's fair to say a year more different from any year in our collective memory by quite a large margin, at least in the realm of politics, we are kicking off our usual run of retrospective holiday slash New Year's episodes, which we have locked and loaded to carry you well past the presents, the turkey, the ham, the standing ribrose, the drunkenness, the hangovers,

all of it, and well into 2026. We're kicking all that off with our 2025 Year in Review

Politics Edition. And given that politics is the bread and butter of Impolitic, the news flash we have for you here

at the top of the show is that this episode is merely the first of two lookbacks on that topic.

The second, which will drop on Monday, features the inimitable Ezra Klein. So be sure to tune back in

for that.

You're not going to want to miss it.

But today, for the first installment,

we have with us a pair of the podcast universe's most prolific,

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