It's the Brian Laris show on WNYC. Good morning again, everyone. And now we turn to the

Health and Climate section of the show, which we do on Tuesdays every week. This week, both. A heavyweight

from the world of vaccine science and a heavyweight from the world of climate science have teamed

up for a new book. And yes, we'll talk about actual science with Peter Hotez and Michael Mann,

but also the fast-breaking politics around RFK Jr. and other news that's relevant to our guest's

work. The book is called Science Under Siege, How to Fight the Five Most Powerful Forces

that Threaten Our World.

The authors have been on with us separately in the past, as some of you know,

they join us together for this.

Dr. Peter Hotez, MD, Ph.D., is co-director of the Texas Children's Center for

Vaccine Development, also founding dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine and Professor

of Pediatrics and Molecular Virology at the Baylor College of Medicine, and Dr. Michael Mann,

Ph.D., director of the Center for Science, Sustainability, and the media, and Dr. Michael Mann, PhD, director of the Center for Science, Sustainability, and the

media, and presidential distinguished professor at the University of Pennsylvania.

Dr. Mann and Dr. Hotez, thanks for teaming up for this. Welcome back to WNYC.

Thanks so much, Brian.

Thank you. So the five anti-science forces in your subtitle refers to what you also call the five

P's.

I'm just going to read them as a shorthand for our listeners.

Plutocrats, authoritarian Petro-States, the pros who use their professional or in some

cases scholarly credentials to deceive or promote

unsupported contrarian views, the propagandists who amplify them on social media and other

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