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The Brian Lehrer Show

Going Ghost

The Brian Lehrer Show

WNYC

Politics, News, News Commentary, Wnyc, Radio, Npr, Arts, New, Lerer, Media, Bryan, Nyc, Daily News, York, Public

4.61.5K Ratings

🗓️ 9 September 2025

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Summary

Kyle Chayka talks about his latest column about ghosting and discusses whether our hyperconnected digital moment has made us all expect too much of each other.

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0:00.0

Brian Laird on WNYC.

0:12.6

So say you're messaging someone, maybe over text, email, or on a dating app, and it's going

0:17.7

really well.

0:18.3

They're responding quickly, even enthusiastically.

0:21.8

Everything seems okay.

0:34.5

So you send a text. A day passes without a response. No problem. People are busy. Then a week passes. Then two. You send a follow-up. Nothing. They vanished with no explanation. Ghosting.

0:40.4

The term for this phenomenon haunts our digital and actual lives.

0:45.8

It's frustrating and puzzling and evokes some questions with no clear answers.

0:51.3

What happened? Did I do something wrong? My guest, Kyle Cheka, staff writer at the New Yorker,

0:57.1

an author of the weekly column, Infinite Scroll, asks another question about ghosting in his latest column.

0:58.5

Is it inevitable?

1:03.9

We'll take some of your stories about ghosting by not just people you're involved with romantically,

1:07.9

but also by friends, which is part of this, 212-433.

1:12.6

WNYC, as we welcome Kyle to the show and back to the show WNYC uh sorry 212 433 WNYC or 212 433 96992 call or text

1:24.6

hi Kyle welcome back to WNYC

1:26.6

Hey Brian thanks for having me.

1:28.8

So many listeners might only be familiar with ghosting in the romantic context, two people

1:34.4

on a dating app, for instance, but ghosting is much broader than that, right?

1:38.7

I think so. We can kind of get ghosted in any aspect of our lives.

1:43.2

And this book I reviewed in my column kind of

1:46.0

goes through friendship and jobs and even kind of society itself.

1:51.0

When is something ghosting, by the way, as opposed to just, you know, not asking someone out again

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