Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop. I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here we host a distinguished guest,

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration,

on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran,

filing litigation against Napster 20 years too late, or else, a scrappy upstart, filing litigation against Spotify, 20 years too early, this is your

show because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey everybody, it's the first Friday of December 2022, and I thank you for joining us.

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