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The Glenn Show

John McWhorter – The Burdens of Black Freedom

The Glenn Show

Glenn Loury

Politics, Society & Culture, News

4.82.3K Ratings

🗓️ 24 January 2022

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

John McWhorter and I often find ourselves aligned on the issues we discuss on The Glenn Show. We’ve even received criticism for how much we agree with each other! This episode should please those critics, as John and I actually find ourselves in stark (though productive and friendly) disagreement on a few matters. Let’s get into it.

We begin by talking about Joe Biden’s recent press conference. Personally, I think he performed pretty badly, as the White House subsequently had to walk back several of his statements. Are these just more of Biden’s characteristic gaffes, or do his misstatements reflect a deeper confusion within the administration? What values does Biden’s presidency represent, anyway? We go on to discuss voting rights and election legislation. We disagree about proposed changes to state-level voting laws: John thinks they're racist in their intent, and I remain to be convinced of that. We also disagree about the meaning of their effects. I have no problem with voter ID requirements, tightening the enforcement of existing laws, and other reasonable ballot security measures. But John is wary. He seems to be concerned that Republicans’ voting security measures are veiled attempts to increase their relative share of the turnout in certain contested districts by decreasing the participation in elections of (reliably Democratic) black voters. Why, he wonders, has ballot security become such an issue now? Of course, I have my responses! I then ask John what he thinks about New York City Mayor Eric Adams’s performance in his first weeks on the job. John was quite critical of Adams last time we talked, but he’s changed his mind. Finally, we get into the Amy Wax issue. Her recent TGS appearance and its aftermath lead us to discuss crucial questions about speech, platforming, and teaching. My fellow John Stuart Mill fans will want to pay close attention to this section.

This is a rich exchange that I’m sure will provoke much commentary, so please do weigh in.

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0:00 What political values does Joe Biden represent?

8:53 Do new election laws amount to race-based voter disenfranchisement?

23:00 Glenn: Black people are free. But what should we do with that freedom?

36:06 John changes his mind about Eric Adams

42:21 John addresses linguistic informality and Sidney Poitier in his recent columns

44:28 Amy Wax: heterodox thinker, provocateur, or racist?

Links and Readings

Bill Maher, “New Rule: First Lady Barack Obama”

John’s NYT piece, “Don’t, Like, Overanalyze Language”

John’s NYT piece, “On Sidney Poitier, Code Switching and the Black Voice”

Amy Wax’s Race, Wrongs, and Remedies: Group Justice in the 21st Century



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0:00.0

Hello, out there. This is Glenn Lowery of the Glenn Show Brown University.

0:14.0

GlennLowery.substack.com. And I'm with John McWater, my conversation partner,

0:19.0

John Columbia University, woke racism, the Black Buster, and linguistics extraordinaire.

0:26.0

And we're back, the Black guys, and we're talking, we talk every other week,

0:31.0

and do a Q&A once a month, which you can contribute questions to if you subscribe

0:38.0

at GlennLowery.substack.com. John, how are you?

0:43.0

Pretty good, Glenn. I've got two damn much to do, but that is better than being bored. How are you?

0:51.0

Well, I'll just remark that your had a little hint of despair in it, and I worry for you, my friend.

0:59.0

It's, it's too much. You know what, you know what is actually one of the problems is that

1:06.0

there are a lot of people out there, you know, who I don't think know that.

1:11.0

And I can tell that they're people who write me, and they're waiting to have these long exchanges,

1:16.0

and I get it. I can't do it. It's just, it's really, but better than bored.

1:22.0

It's better than being bored. So, yeah.

1:25.0

Now, I agree, if you have a public platform, and you know, you're kind of accessible,

1:29.0

if you actually answer your email, now they have, you know, there are some people

1:32.0

who have hired people to read their email. I've heard about that.

1:36.0

They don't, they don't, and if you take the time to respond, you know, I mean,

1:40.0

even if the time is only 20 seconds to type thanks to something,

1:45.0

that gives people a sense that the door is open and they can come with more.

1:48.0

And I get it. You know, I remember being on the other end of that.

1:51.0

But, um, yeah.

1:54.0

So, what are our issues?

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