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I'm with my conversation partner, John McWorder,

every other week here at the Glen Show.

And this week, we are joined by Daniel Besner,

who is associate professor at the Henry Jackson School

of International Studies at the University of Washington.

And Tyler Harper, who's assistant professor at Bates College who is a

literary scholar working in environmental studies and the history of science.

So welcome Tyler or welcome Daniel and good to be with you John good to see you as always yes I wish I were not in Los Angeles as opposed to the comfort of my home, but good to see all of you.

John teaches at Columbia University and he writes for the New York Times.

I teach at Brown University and I'm a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute. The Manhattan Institute sponsors the Glen show,

we're all academics, all four of us, on college campuses, John, Columbia, Me,

at Brown, Tyler, at Bates, and Danny at the University of Washington in Seattle, right?

Yep, in beautiful Seattle.

We're speaking here in just before Thanksgiving,

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