Welcome to the deli-pop with me again. I know I always say, I'm excited about this

big special guest, but I really, really am. It's Professor John Lennox. Now, I originally

had you booked, I think, last year, and you couldn't do, I think you were ill, and I was terrified

because I've had a few podcast guests who I really wanted, who died on me, and I thought maybe,

you know, you'd go, you caught COVID or something or whatever, and it would never be, so I'm really

happy you're here. Well, I'm very happy to be with you because I didn't catch COVID, and I'm very

glad I haven't had it at all, and in fact, I feel a better health than I've been in for quite a

long time. Lockdown has been an extremely productive time for me, actually, so thank you for inviting

me on. No, absolute pleasure. So, for those who haven't seen me, I've been doing a bit of homework,

which is very unlike me, regular listeners will know, I don't do my homework normally, but I'm

a man of your eminence, and also, I think, possibly, you don't suffer falls badly because I've seen

you in debate with people that I really would not like to debate. Richard Dawkins, sort of further

down the scale, but Christopher Hitchens, I really wouldn't want to argue, wouldn't want to have

debated Christopher Hitchens in a debate about whether or not God exists, whether he's real or not,

and it's not so much because I watched some of those debates, and it wasn't so much that I felt

that Christopher Hitchens had access to the killer arguments for atheism, but rather, he's

slightly on bar style, he's drawing approach, he makes the other person, unless he's very well prepared,

look kind of passe and foolish, and so did you find that when you were debating him?

That's a study, tactic of his word. I'm very fortunate because someone in your profession,

who's very well known, the journalist, I met in my college at Oxford before I did that debate,

and I said, have you got any advice to give me? And he said, I have actually, he said, firstly,

don't try to outwit Christopher, and secondly, he said, make sure that you don't get steamrolled

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