Welcome to ID the Future, a podcast about intelligent design and evolution.

On this episode of ID the future, we're listening in on part two of a recent conversation

between Discovery Institute's Stephen Meyer and Oxford mathematician John

Lennox. They're discussing Lennox's new documentary Against the Tide, Finding

God in an age of science.

And talking about some of the stimulating encounters

Lennox has had with other famous thinkers.

The film does a great job of weaving your life story as a scientist and as a mathematician and as a person of faith into a fascinating narrative and then it unfolds in this conversation that you're having with Kevin Sorboe in Oxford and then eventually at the end of the film you both go to Israel and the Holy Land.

One of the things that I didn't know about you

that I learned by watching the film was

the number of visits that you made behind the Iron Curtain

when it was still an iron curtain before the East

block was liberated and tell us a little bit about that what what motivated you to go

there and and give those lectures and there was the film

has footage of you in these kind of secret locations at the time it was pretty

fascinating it was extremely fascinating and the origin of it I think so far as I can determine it is I've been interested all my life in people that hold diametrically opposite world views to myself.

Now in the West in England and the United States,

when met it in the Academy.

But going to Eastern Europe opened up the possibility

for me to see what this kind of worldview does in society, what its cultural effect is.

And in the earlier days in the 1970s, I frequently went to the German Democratic Republic and of course that was hard atheism,

hard Marxism and I mainly went there actually as a Christian teacher to the churches to encourage

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